Debunking The Latest Conservative Health Care Smear: “Death Book For Veterans”
Posted by admin on Nov 1, 2009
http://mediamatters.org/research/200908240121
Following false accusations that Democrats’ health care reform legislation would institute “death panels” for the elderly, H. James Towey claimed in a Wall Street Journal op-ed that the Obama administration revived a Veterans Health Administration (VHA) booklet on advanced planning directives that would “steer vulnerable individuals to conclude for themselves that life is not worth living,” calling the booklet a “death book.” As with the death panel smear, conservative media — particularly Fox News — have promoted Towey’s false “death book” claim, ignoring facts that undermine Towey’s rhetoric.
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god i hate fox news
god i hate fox news
The worst Racist is …
The worst Racist is Glenn Beck in one of his health care video he said that all color people are rats. And he said he grew up in America when he actualy he grew up in Fox News.
We were talking …
We were talking about land not control.
Where is this society of yours going to reside and how are you going to get the land with the consent of the people??? Every application of the theory has led to the theft of land without consent.
Quote me where I claimed or suggested the claim of a veritable divine right of senators.
Check out this “No …
Check out this “No Obamanation” video pass it around
The US did it …
The US did it because it was the right thing to do. Read up on the social contract theory. All of modern western democracies are based on the principle that the people have the right to overthrow their leaders.
I advocated a democracy, one actually appointed by the people. You are claiming a veritable divine right of senators.
If our leaders and our governments are not serving the people then it is our duty to replace them with ones that do; whether by reform or revolution.
The US did so we …
The US did so we can do it? That makes it right?
Who said I called you the dictatorial one?
I do find it funny though that you strive for a society that always ends with dictators. LOL
What wrong? Is it …
What wrong? Is it wrong for a people to choose their government? Wow, and you are calling me the dictatorial one. glad you’re not in charge.
Two wrongs can make …
Two wrongs can make a right???
I wish there really …
I wish there really was euthenasia in the bill, I really do support the idea. But unfortunately it isn’t. The populist proapaganda that conservatives use is hideous and bullshit.
If the so-called ‘ …
If the so-called ‘end-of-life’ counseling is not to steer people towards euthanasia then what’s the need of the counseling anyways?
And if ‘denying’ or ‘rationing’ treatment for ‘cost effectiveness’ is un-thinkable then why discuss it in the bill?
Come on Media Matters, just because you say there are no ‘Death Panels in the bill when it clearly implies it under the backdrop of $24 trillion in bail outs to Goldman Sucks and JP Morgan, doesn’t mean there are no ‘Death Panels.
We will gather …
We will gather people who agree with the theory, in whatever country that happens to be, and work there. Maybe it will involve overthrowing a government, maybe cession. Either way it would be enacted by the people and thus of the will of the people. You may reject the idea of opposing or even overthrowing a government but that is how the United States was initially formed. Most likely the change will be gradual and a country will simply shift into true communism. Others will then follow.
she actually says
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she actually says
“pressuring certain disabled vets to QUOTE, hurry up and die”
you cant say QUOTE if there isnt actually a quote of someone saying or the pamphlet saying “hurry up and die”
and like anyone is going to give disabled vets a pamphlet that says “hurry up and die”
the contempt they have for our intelligence makes me sick…and the they get away with “reporting” is ridiculous
We were talking …
We were talking about an economic system to replace capitalism.
If it’s not happening here than I don’t really care where it’s setup.
In order for you to show people what your version of communism is you have to build it. You have to build it on someone’s land. How are you going to get that land without violence?
Your society is DOA without even getting started.
You asked what a …
You asked what a theoretical real communism might look like. I was telling you what I believe it might look like. Where will it be when it happens? I don’t know. I would like to see the USA become the paragon of light and justice in the world, but I don’t know if that is what will happen. Maybe it will be in America, maybe in Europe, maybe it will be post-nation (i.e. when globalization makes your country as important as your town). I don’t have a crystal ball to know the future.
I’m a little …
I’m a little confused…
Where is this society of yours going to reside? Is it located somewhere within the USA? If so are you suggesting secession?
You make it sound as if you’re going to convert the whole nation to communism. That’s where I’m confused.
Clear that up than I can respond more clearly.
We “show” people a …
We “show” people a better society by proving that one works. I never advocated violence in any manner. Maybe it’s because all you and your simple mind can understand is violence.
Unions don’t “crack heads”. Union breakers crack heads (i.e. corporations).
No one is taking anyones children shit. We are assembling our property to divide it evenly and fairly. We are stopping thievery (corporations) not causing it.
Demolition Man’s …
Demolition Man’s problem was in the increadibly repressive society.
However, if you want to live in the sewers rather than contribute to society that is your choice and I shan’t stop you. What we will stop you from is stealing from our society by not “paying” i.e. contributing.
We own the cities and roads because we will build them. Those who don’t work together can’t build anything. Only those who cooperate can achieve society. We shall simply have a stronger society of equals.
One of the facets …
One of the facets of facism is when the government and the business interests become one.
Why do you insist that it will create broken nations? Of course for a world wide system we would have to eliminate the concept of nations. Most people today freak out about this idea, but it is not necessarily evil.
God you are a retard. I was using an analogy when I spoke about America. Do you know how to think?
No one is “taking” anything. We are choosing to give up our property.
If those who only …
If those who only want to take what others have attack those trying to live in harmony with each other then it would be akin to an act of war. The takers would be an invading nation and would be treated accordingly.
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What do you mean by ’showing them’? You’re sounding kinda like Tony Soprano here. Do you crack some heads like the unions do? You can’t just say we’ll do this or that without any thought. What do you think a free people would do when your take away their property and children away?
Say you left us alone. What if we don’t leave you alone?
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Did you ever see that movie Demolition Man? Is that the society you wish to create? Am I among the ones living in the sewers? Who said you would own the cities and roads? Are you going to forcefully purchase their property from them or are you going to forcefully take it from them?
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How could the USSR …
How could the USSR be fascist? The government owned the businesses.
How many attempts, and broken nations, will you take in order to put into place an economic theory that has yet realize after numerous failed attempts?
Indoctrination? Who said those that believed what you brought up weren’t themselves Indoctrinated?
I’m not the one dissenting from America. Who would be dissented is you and others that want to take property away from the people.
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(cont..2)In return …
(cont..2)In return you would not be protected by police men, firefighters, or have public education. Our citizens would still have protection from you, so you could not do anything to them. But what you did to yourself, or others did to you (such as murder) would be none of our concern. You would not stay in our cities and use our roads. However we would not kill you or take your stuff. We would simply leave you alone, completely. That would be enough for most people to not dissent.
(cont..)We already …
(cont..)We already know that this is true. It is what society is built on. We just have to educate people out of their selfishness and hatreds.
Let us take America as an example. If my idea for dissenters was taken and you dissented from America you would be left out of the system. You would not pay taxes, follow the laws of the country, or have to contribute in any way.
Yes, the USSR was …
Yes, the USSR was fascist. It used the cloak of revolution to install just another dictator. Since the soviets (those in charge) did not share what they had (communistic principle #1) they can’t be communists.
We change humans the way we have for thousands of years. The same way we made slavery, racism, genocide, and rape bad things. Once all of these were considered okay or even good.
We get people to work together by showing them that it accomplishes more than working apart.